tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post2910174663721048205..comments2023-10-23T13:39:38.799-07:00Comments on Frankensteinbeck: I Guess A Teaser Would Be PointlessFrankensteinbeckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06626952456497490187noreply@blogger.comBlogger133125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-13427893416119837182015-12-24T18:42:18.032-08:002015-12-24T18:42:18.032-08:00I am pretty sure the reactor got put into the '...I am pretty sure the reactor got put into the 'bomb,' but with Penny's ability to invent... well, can't be 'sure' until Mr. Roberts say it happened. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069240240039878634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-1503081031260041642015-12-23T11:53:07.324-08:002015-12-23T11:53:07.324-08:00They named an asteroid after him that's big en...They named an <a href="http://blog.xkcd.com/2013/09/30/asteroid-4942-munroe/" rel="nofollow">asteroid</a> after him that's big enough to cause a mass extiction. I don't think that qualifies him as a supervillain unless he can take possession, though. Even then, he'd probably just install a microgravity ball pit or something.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-11619276912034756232015-12-23T11:47:15.383-08:002015-12-23T11:47:15.383-08:00Oh I believe Penny is still Penny too. I just thin...Oh I believe Penny is still Penny too. I just think there's something on her back.... [cough] I mean looking over her shoulder... [stares at myself]<br />Too many cultural references, sorry.Rinnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10720738577554129970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-41626722799863781732015-12-23T08:00:40.916-08:002015-12-23T08:00:40.916-08:00I also believe Penny is still Penny when she goes ...I also believe Penny is still Penny when she goes into one of her blackouts. I think the blackout is just part of her inventing process, especially for Tier 3 items. From what Cy said, it's not that unusual. Even Remmy's father has a mild form of it. Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05160118520611754510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-19030969299336029882015-12-23T05:57:29.707-08:002015-12-23T05:57:29.707-08:00Yes, I'm pretty certain the Gun got made into ...Yes, I'm pretty certain the Gun got made into the bomb. Penny need it to be real enough to keep the attention of the Heroes.<br /><br />I don't think Rage and Ruin would tell Cassie that Penny and bad Penny are the same person. And the Speedster might not actually know the secret either. He grabbed the helmet and ran. It's possible he would say anything either. <br /><br />I think this cause Cassie has been challenging Penny and not Bad Penny. The bit we've seen makes me think shes a bit of a glory hound. I think if she knew she would like have challenged the one with the reputation.<br /><br />The Machine still absorbs energy in it's dormant state, we just don't know how much. Yes Mech is one of the few who have seen the thing up close and personal, so he'd know in seconds. But I don't think Penny would ever seriously fight Mech, so it was all hypothetical anyways.<br /><br />I still maintain that there is no "other" when Penny is inventing. A cryptic comment from a unstable undead cyborg. and a bad statistic that may or may not have anything to do with her, from a preview that Roberts said didn't reveal anything important. There is no actual evidence for me to suspect that it's not Penny inventing the stuff. <br />A perfectly suitable explanation was given, one that is back by evidence. Roberts isn't writing an season of Lost here. Every situation doesn't end with a convoluted and absurd explanation.<br /><br />If it is the case kudos to you for figuring it out, but until then it's not really worth considering to me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10543933983633475898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-18494143297299954722015-12-23T01:49:48.507-08:002015-12-23T01:49:48.507-08:00Side note I think it's too early to judge if p...Side note I think it's too early to judge if penny is best scientist. Until we know why she blacks out or isn't herself during tier three inventions it's hard to judge.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08950802748698040227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-58661260065267095972015-12-23T01:48:09.453-08:002015-12-23T01:48:09.453-08:00Ooh disguising the machine as gauntlets could work...Ooh disguising the machine as gauntlets could work I mean it's default state is a braceletAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08950802748698040227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-64402946257727688582015-12-23T01:46:47.155-08:002015-12-23T01:46:47.155-08:00From descriptions the bomb was made out if the ray...From descriptions the bomb was made out if the ray gun<br /> And the big problem with using the machine to beat Mech in a fair fight is that it's instantly recognizable. Unless she finds a way to disguise it as a gun or sword the moment she uses it against any hero her s3cret identity is toast. Good if she decides to go full time villain but story as it is now not likely. As for Cassia Patters I can't help think she knows about Penny but is keeping it on the low down her big sis and or care takers know who Penny is and her best friend the speedy has seen her face. Cassy just knows better than to blab it openly.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08950802748698040227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-75420488583728699952015-12-22T19:30:09.474-08:002015-12-22T19:30:09.474-08:00I think pure invention wise, Penny is the top dog ...I think pure invention wise, Penny is the top dog out of what we've heard of. Combat wise she is lacking. Strategy and leadership she is also doing really well in.<br /><br />T.I.M. as a unit is kicking ass, separate them and they won't be doing so well. So it's the ranking is very dependent on how you look at the situation. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10543933983633475898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-27376138522013463852015-12-22T19:21:41.397-08:002015-12-22T19:21:41.397-08:00I'm pretty sure ATM Cassy isn't in on &quo...I'm pretty sure ATM Cassy isn't in on "The Secret" and I don't think it would be a good idea for her to know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10543933983633475898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-49395877239350873322015-12-22T13:20:39.480-08:002015-12-22T13:20:39.480-08:00Oh, hey, I forgot about her big gun. The one she w...Oh, hey, I forgot about her big gun. The one she wanted to destroy cause it scared her. Bet Mech would feel that one if she used it. <br />Assuming she still has it. <br />Never did say if she used it to make that phony bomb, or if she stashed it away and them made the 'bomb' at the end of the book. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069240240039878634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-56973730308724945732015-12-22T13:18:28.532-08:002015-12-22T13:18:28.532-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069240240039878634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-83649881179662860952015-12-22T13:00:55.754-08:002015-12-22T13:00:55.754-08:00I mean, right now she has that rep too. She had al...I mean, right now she has that rep too. She had all the other mad scientist excited. They were impressed, right? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069240240039878634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-75490535384464010422015-12-22T12:56:43.738-08:002015-12-22T12:56:43.738-08:00But, that is raw talent and power. She has a long...But, that is raw talent and power. She has a long way to go if she wants control. You know, assuming it doesn't kill her...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069240240039878634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-8872348312464728662015-12-22T12:54:40.274-08:002015-12-22T12:54:40.274-08:00Well, I think Penny is ALREADY the most powerful m...Well, I think Penny is ALREADY the most powerful mad-scientist, depending on how you score that. In terms of the number of Tier 3 devices, she has really set the new bar. Red Eye is credited with 3. Penny has lots more than that! Her only problem is control, and I’m guessing that might come later. <br />Now, if you’re talking world-shaking effects…. She could use the machine as a full scale recycler and she could really clean up a lot of problems. Ray said it that, the only reason it didn’t revolutionize industry is because there is only one. But, I can see it eating oil-spills, radioactive dumps, and toxic zones, things that a Suit of Armor couldn’t. And, it can eat ‘kinetic’ energy, so I’m guessing it could take a hit from a punch without any problem. I mean, Ray used it as a hammer in space. It stopped Magnificent’s Spells without any problem. <br />So, if she can get The Machine in play she would have something. Imagine if she can hook it up to her lab suit, with all those pipes for connecting other devices, it would be an awesome start on her own suit of armor! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069240240039878634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-64067294731649938152015-12-22T08:44:05.717-08:002015-12-22T08:44:05.717-08:00Penny does tend towards defense more then offense....Penny does tend towards defense more then offense. And her offense is more disable and distract then maim and kill. This is because Penny is 13 and she is having fun playing a game. She is not currently the type of person to make death rays.<br /><br />Mech's suit is very offensive, but he's not playing. and Also Mech didn't make most of the weapons and systems on the suit. Penny's dad made a lot of them, as did other people. Mech's tier 3 invention is the suit, not the stuff attached to the suit.<br /><br />And it's not clear the suit wins in the fight. We've only seen one fight with Mech in it and it was against a horror from another dimension. Then the Machine Ate his suit, it destroyed the suit. So technicly it did defeat the suit, so what if Mech wasn't in the suit at the time.<br /><br />until the two of them actually fight for realzy, this is a moot argument. Most of what we've seen of Mech is stuff The Machine has potential to counter. We have no real idea of Mech's defenses. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10543933983633475898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-56996360065426877892015-12-22T03:29:36.743-08:002015-12-22T03:29:36.743-08:00I think it's quite clear the suit would beat T...I think it's quite clear the suit would beat The Machine in a fight. The Machine is a very powerful support item but it has no combat ability to speak of. Mech's suit is for combat and according to everyone, it could be upgraded. <br />I don't know if anyone had noticed but almost all of Penny's Tier 3 items are support items. The Machine, Red Herring etc; I think only the ragdolls and the teleport bands can be considered a Tier 3 combat items and even then they are not purely for combat. Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05160118520611754510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-33065646562214353622015-12-22T02:30:08.561-08:002015-12-22T02:30:08.561-08:00Kristy I agree with pretty much all of that. Altho...Kristy I agree with pretty much all of that. Although I've been ignoring Morning Dove's comment most on the grounds of her being a potentially unstable cyborg zombie 3 quarters short of a dollar. Not saying it wasn't a honest and sincere warning, just that she probably isn't the most stable of people.<br /><br />Ghost, I'm not entirely sure Mech would win against the Machine in a serious fight. It can eat anything, It can absorb all forms of energy(including magic and kinetic), once it's going it doesn't appear to run out of power.<br /><br />Depending on how quickly it absorbs energy, I bet you Penny could block a punch for Claudia with the machine and not even feel it. Theoretically It should be able to adsorb anything Mech throws at it. If he grabs it or wraps it up, it just eats it's way out. <br /><br />There are a lot of if's in that situation. There is no real way to know who would win or who is greater until we see the two square off.<br /><br />It was stated that it was not uncommon for a Mad Scientist's first invention to be their only tier 3 invention, like Mech. Could she hit her wall before she leaves puberty sure. But if she stays on her current trajectory they will be adding additional Tiers before she's hit 30.<br /><br />Should I being saying could instead of is or will be? Yes. but I think it makes for a better story if she Is and will be the greatest. So I treat it that way. But even still she is in the top presidential.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10543933983633475898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-48883863176808558312015-12-21T23:38:43.132-08:002015-12-21T23:38:43.132-08:00The magic words there are “statistically” in the t...The magic words there are “statistically” in the top percent of mad scientist, and “if” her progression continued. <br />Guys, she’s 13. She “could" be the greatest mad-scientist of her generation but that’s a long way away from where she is right now. She has a lot of growing to do physically, mentally, and power-wise before then. I personally think watching her grow is part of the fun. <br />Also I think numbers aren't everything. To our knowledge, Mech only created 1 Tier 3 item. However that Tier 3 item, his suit, is so good it can beat the crap out of almost everything else on the table, including The Machine. To me, how powerful the item is is just as, if not more, important than the number of Tier 3 items you can create.Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05160118520611754510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-11932657957586078552015-12-21T23:24:05.215-08:002015-12-21T23:24:05.215-08:00I realised something. Maybe Penny can put Cassie i...I realised something. Maybe Penny can put Cassie in her suit, give her a mech, and fight herself that way. It's obvious now I think about it.<br /><br />Also I'm getting more inclined to hope "The day will be saved by tech support" IS Penny showing her parents that her powers are fully here.Rinnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10720738577554129970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-14347075973710790082015-12-21T12:06:11.193-08:002015-12-21T12:06:11.193-08:00wow those first two paragraphs got stuffed up. I w...wow those first two paragraphs got stuffed up. I was going to write the Machine into group one, then changed my mind, it fits in group two with all that stuff. Sorry for bad grammar, wish I could edit posts.Rinnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10720738577554129970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-84864547414098436862015-12-21T12:03:36.697-08:002015-12-21T12:03:36.697-08:00South - there is a lot of credence to that too. I&...South - there is a lot of credence to that too. I'm trying to base the term blackout based on wording and when I go over her tech, there seams to be a lot of flexibililty.<br /><br />Penny seams to have four main stages of inventing.<br /><br />Mechanical Genius: This is like her smeltery, her suit, claire's gloves, jump starting the station. This also includes the clock device she made start book 2 and most if not all of her clockwork inventions. Almost all of this stuff (regardless of the tier) is mechanical in nature, the only exception I can think of being the <br /><br />Weird Science: Most of these are tier 2 or tier 3 like Ray and Claire's gloves, the batteries, the cheerleader syrum, these are mostly non-mechanical but she tends to be at least aware of her surroundings, or of her actions even if she doesn't understand the science invovled. The Machine is the only thing that fits in this.<br /><br />Extreme Thinking: I add this category for things where, I mostly just went "Who thinks of this!". Stuff like the zombie rag dolls, her ray gun/bomb, the air cannon, bubblegum thingie. Most of these she was described as not being herself but - more importantly - before entering the fugue she knew exactly what she wanted to make and after she came down from it, could tell you about it afterwards.<br /><br />And Finally complete Blackouts. Where she literally knew nothing before or after. These blackout were usually accompanied by migraines and they became more frequent in book 2. The first of these happened when she made Ray's gloves and the candy stuff. We were told this much, Vera was made about the same time. Another one she busted when the headaches started was the love potion. No idea what that was connected to. Then in book two they're all over the place. Nearly every major thing she invents causes a blackout and while the inventions are all tier 3 (space suit arguably) to me it means she's sacrificing control for power.<br /><br />It was enough that I asked Roberts after reading book two if the warning about "that power will kill you" meant it was actually frying Penny's brain somehow. And I am seriously hoping Penny and Co start questioning that in this book.<br /><br />It's also where my current theory is that - Penny handling the coins and statue have me worried for the character.Rinnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10720738577554129970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-26586409155834233252015-12-21T11:48:30.533-08:002015-12-21T11:48:30.533-08:00Xkcd, of xkcd.com/, is brilliant. I reread his wor...Xkcd, of xkcd.com/, is brilliant. I reread his work whenever I learn something new in technology. Darkallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10465319073405749487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-51877434635137255922015-12-21T10:42:34.577-08:002015-12-21T10:42:34.577-08:00When I talk about Penny being the best, I'm ta...When I talk about Penny being the best, I'm talking about when she comes fully into her power. She could be right now, but her power is still controlled by the immature mind of a teenager. It's still only just a game to her.<br /><br />And at the moment if any adult super tried to seriously hurt them it would be a close fight. <br /><br />The problem with the "blackouts" is the descriptions are too vague and inconsistent. I get the impression that it is not uncommon for Mad Scientists to have blackouts during inventing, I bet the laughter is part of the origin of the name. <br />To me it looks like the level of blackout is relevant to how advanced the tech is. Vera and Puppeteer goo, resulted complete blackouts. But the things that are based in concepts she already has some understanding don't seem to be total blackouts.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10543933983633475898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3633538053933355058.post-82453458107296300862015-12-21T08:23:41.849-08:002015-12-21T08:23:41.849-08:00My mistake - her mother put in the top 1%. My mistake - her mother put in the top 1%. Darkallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10465319073405749487noreply@blogger.com