Someone in the previous thread asked how local and federal government felt about superhumans. This was such a good question, I thought the answer deserved being moved to its own post.
This
is briefly answered in I Did Not Give That Spider Superhuman
Intelligence. I'll try to go into it with a little more detail, here.
Basically,
the government is scared of superhumans and relieved to let them
regulate each other. When one single person can have the power of a
giant bomb, and there are thousands of these around the country, law
enforcement becomes prickly. Conventional attempts to deal with them
require you to either accept massive collateral damage, or go heavy on
cruel and unusual punishment. When super powered communities fall into a
relatively peaceful pattern, neither the government agencies nor the
electorate want to interfere with that. An analogue is when organized
crime takes root, and locations decide fighting them is more trouble
than it's worth.
There are bad and unfair aspects to this.
Superhumans are above the law in many ways. They're not going to get
arrested for, say, reckless driving, or violating building codes. They
don't have to face their bank accounts frozen for criminal acts, unless a
superhero makes a point of dragging the villain in and revealing where
the money went. The minor damage caused by breaking these laws, given
the small number of people doing it, is considered a price easily worth
paying to limit the gigantic damage that could be done if powers were
used unrestrained and with malice aforethought. As long as heroes are
willing to fight villains, and everybody is willing to keep damage to
civilians to a minimum, the government is willing to limit themselves to
doing the sweeping up afterwards. It is very convenient to let the
hero take the blame when a villain is dragged off to jail.
Side
note: It is extremely hard to keep supervillains locked up. People
like Bull can walk through any wall you can build. Some mad scientists
can create an escape tool out of a spoon and a mattress. If they don't
break themselves out, they have friends who can do it easily. It's an
unsolved problem.
No amount of superhumans the government can
hire can come close to what's lurking in the 'civilian' population, and
like conventional weapons, enough force to reliably stop someone like
Lucyfar or Chimera (or Mech, who has broken a lot of laws in his
vigilantism!) brings us back to neighborhoods destroyed and hundreds
dead.
All of this is self-reinforcing. Government cracking down
makes superhumans more violent, which forces the government to crack
down harder. The government turning a blind eye makes it easier for
self-regulating communities to maintain a peaceful tone. In LA in
Penny's time, the hero and villain communities are actively friendly
with each other, despite how seriously most of them take their roles.
This
is far from a perfect system. For example, built into LA's
friendliness is mob justice with execution as the penalty for breaking
the rules. The superhuman community itself is weird, a separate culture
from main society with a lot of social pressures. Both superhumans and
the government cling to this system as a thousand times better than the
alternatives.
(Added aside: There is an entire separate hero/villain community devoted to less obvious bureaucratic, financial, and cyber crimes. Beebee has dipped into it several times. I am unlikely to ever do more than hint about its existence in any book, but it might interest you to know it's there.)
A side benefit of a relatively peaceful superhuman community would be the governments ability to buy any random mad science gear that gets confiscated when a Mad Scientist is temporarily captured. Imagine how many random high power perpetual energy generators that must have been created so far.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely. Renewable energy in Penny's world has gotten a big boost from 'What does it run on?' 'We have no idea, but look at it go!'
DeleteWould that be "Renewable energy" or "Inexhaustible energy source"?
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DeleteWell, at least we know the weird energy source that Penny created near the end of book one will be a very useful device for supplying clean energy, once her dad decides it is safe to use.
ReplyDeleteGood stuff.
ReplyDeleteWhile I was waiting for the next book I found another one that kinda has the same stuff. Forging Hephaestus.
In that one the Heroes allow the Guild of Villains to quietly police the worst of the worst bad guys in exchange for not being hunted down.
It's not as good or fun as the gang but I was blown away to see the same idea being used.
I wonder if someone read THIS series and got some ideas.
Yep, read that one too! Holds me over for the next T.I.M. Book.
DeleteLooking forward to the next one!
ReplyDelete^.^ What I'd like to seee is a superhero verse where like - heroes are considered an extension of the police force. Like - the police turn up to a crime, and then a hero arrives and is like "This is Hero jurisdiction, Can you hand over the case files - thankyou - Alright everyone this is what happened!"
ReplyDeleteAnd just have the police treat the hero like a lieutenant or a captain.
I have imagine a world where Police are considered "D List Heroes" and treated the same by the media - with C or B list heroes managing them or equipping them.
And of course that leaves a place where the police still have a job and aren't overshadowed by the heroes. They can still be competent.
Maybe. But most heroes are like brawlers more than anything. Can you imaging the Hulk investigating a case? Banner maybe but Hulk would be like - me no like brainy work! And trying to make a Science Genius like Banner stick to working cases instead of brainstorming in a lab? Don't think so.
DeleteOnly a few are like Batman and good at detectiveing. So super hero cops would be really really few and the really really overloaded. Don't sound like fun.
There's a few not unlink that. Check out the webcomic Grrl Power, where all crime fighting superheroes are considered elite military police under the new branch called Archon. It's both good and hilarious.
Delete@Corwin I'm actualy a longtime reader of Grrlpower. As well as Spinnerette and a few other webcomics.
DeleteSo how do other major cities manage without being smoking holes in the ground? It's made clear that the LA System is not the norm and Spider wants to export it, so how do the heroes and villains of say, NYC, get along without going to war?
ReplyDeleteThe LA system actually IS the norm. The same social pressures apply everywhere. LA is better organized and friendlier than most places. Spider wants to export her level of profitable organization and reliability, and her own influence thereby.
DeleteMost cities are better described by the situation in Summer of Lob or I Did Not Give That Spider Superhuman Intelligence. Actually pretty friendly, but vulnerable. The bigger the city, the more likely the community has organized something like LA has in self-defense.
There are regional variations. War-torn areas don't have a lot of supers, because they kill and get killed fast. The whole Russian superhero scene is under the Cossack's control, and graft and patronage are thick. China's government minutely controls and regulates superhumans, and damn the collateral damage. Japan treats them as major celebrities. In peaceful third world countries - and large swathes of Europe - superhumans do hardly any fighting, and mostly use their powers for civilian purposes.